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August 14, 2007

Hip-Hop's Ghostwriters

Is it fair for big-shot rappers to pay up-and-comers for their lyrics, but then give them no songwriting credit?

Adam Conner-Simons

Music consumers readily accept that the singer of a catchy pop song may not have written it. But they may not know that this practice extends to other seemingly more authentic musical genres like hip-hop, which Chuck D of Public Enemy famously referred to as CNN for black people. "We hold rappers to a different standard than pop singers," says Chuck Creekmur, co-founder of AllHipHop.com. "With hip-hop we want to have that personal connection. We want them to tell us how they feel."

"Most artists are not going to want to make it known that they didn't write their own lyrics"—Rapper and songwriter Kel Spencer

With such high expectations for our rap idols to "keep it real," it makes sense that some try to hide the fact that they aren't writing their own lyrics. To do so, they can hire ghostwriters to pen their tunes. Ghostwriters are usually rappers themselves who write lyrics for other performers without getting songwriting credit—although they often get paid. Even some of the most respected names in the biz have composed other rappers' rhymes: Nas co-wrote several tracks off Will Smith's mega-selling Big Willie Style (including "Just Cruisin'"), the gritty Pharoahe Monch wrote for Diddy's album Just Press Play, and Jay-Z has written several of Dr. Dre's raps (including, notably, "Still D.R.E.").

Why would a rapper spend so much of his heart and soul writing lyrics for a top-40 record he'll never get credit for? "Sometimes, it's just such a good deal that you can't turn it away," says Skillz, a respected hip-hop hired hand whose song "Ghostwriter" includes bleeped-out names of rappers he's written for. (Lyrics to a live, uncensored version are available online and name-drop Mase, Foxy Brown, and Diddy, among others.) As Skillz points out, if you're a struggling MC, and Will Smith comes to you with his checkbook, it's hard to say no.

Ghostwriting is also a good way to collect street cred. While the practice is not widely discussed by the general public, a ghostwriter who has a strong reputation with well-respected producers may be able to secure future, credited projects through those contacts. After writing verses for Diddy ("Shake Ya Tailfeather") and ghostwriting for Smith and Dre, Smitty signed with Clive Davis's J Records and will soon be releasing a debut album featuring in-demand producers Timbaland and Kanye West. (Diddy, Smith, and Dr. Dre didn't respond to Gelf's inquiries for this article).

"Rap moguls are a business, and they need to oversee the product as it comes off the assembly line, as opposed to doing a lot of the grinding themselves."—Hip-hop historian Davey D
Many in the community also view ghostwriting as a further opportunity for artistic expression. "I just found it as another outlet to be creative," Kel Spencer, who co-wrote such Will Smith hits as "Switch," says. "I don't look at it as being undervalued. I'm not ghostwriting to get famous; I'm doing it to attach myself to a project I like."

Skillz adds, "I like to put myself in a different mindset and step out of the box I'm in." And like any field of entertainment where image is involved, writing behind the scenes is a far more dependable career path than being in the spotlight. "I'm not gonna be rapping when I'm 40," Skillz says, "but I can still be writing songs 'til I'm 80."

But for many rappers out there, ghostwriting is considered a last resort to turn to only after the MC has failed as a performer—whether it's due to a lack of charisma, bad luck, or, in the case of former N.W.A. ghostwriter D.O.C., a vocal-cord injury. "A lot of rappers don't catch a break," Creekmur says. "They never had the opportunity to make it, and are forced to ghostwrite."

Smitty

After ghostwriting for several of hip-hop's biggest names, Smitty landed his own album deal.

Some big-shot rappers simply are too invested in other ventures to write their own lyrics. "They are a business, and they need to oversee the product as it comes off the assembly line, as opposed to doing a lot of the grinding themselves," says Davey D, a hip-hop historian and journalist. By hiring a ghostwriter, a mogul is outsourcing part of his job to someone who he feels can do it better. "Dre recognizes that he isn't a lyricist," Creekmur says. With rappers like that, "you hire the best to do what they do."

Beyond the question of "who's writing for whom" is the writing process itself, which varies by artist. According to Smitty and Spencer, most of their projects are completely collaborative. "[Will Smith] will record a song and have me pick it apart," Spencer says, "asking me what it needs for radio." Of course, statements about mega-moguls working with writers on projects should be taken with a grain of salt. Folks like Dr. Dre and Will Smith want to receive songwriting credit so as to maintain artistic credibility, and their songwriters want to continue to get paid large sums of money to work with such legends. Therefore, it is in the best interest of both parties to say that the process is collaborative, even when it's not.

The rules of ghostwriting compensation are remarkably inconsistent. Some contracts involve a simple lump sum upfront, while others may also include a cut of record sales. Akil from Jurassic 5, who has never ghostwritten himself but knows people in the industry who have, says that the compensation need not be spelled out in contract, nor money-based at all. "It may be benefits, material objects, or just being down with somebody," he says. Even elite ghostwriters cap out at $60,000 to $70,000 for a song—a pretty penny, but a mere fraction of what many songs make in profits.

Skillz

In his song "Ghostwriter", Skillz drops the names of rappers he's written for.

But bitching about your terms of service as a ghostwriter is not a good idea. "Most artists are not going to want to make it known that they didn't write [their lyrics]," Spencer says. Breaking this trust can have disastrous consequences; in 1998, Dr. Dre and Eminem severed their ties with Royce da 5'9'' after Royce's manager revealed that he had ghostwritten a few of Dre's songs for 2001.

Royce's ghostwriting also bring to light another ethical question: Should rappers hire writers for songs that are inherently personal to the artist? Royce wrote the bulk of Dr. Dre's "The Message," which dealt with the murder of Dre's brother, and Sauce Money wrote much of "I'll Be Missing You," a tribute to Puff Daddy's late friend Notorious B.I.G. (That song, incidentally, sold over three million copies; Sauce Money received $1,000 for his efforts.) The rappers interviewed do not seem particularly troubled by these events. "Diddy was a part of ["I'll Be Missing You"], but of course he'll bring in top-notch writers to make it perfect," Smitty says. Jurassic 5's Akil says that the ends usually justify the means: "If you deliver it, and the point comes across, and I feel that emotion, then the job was done."

Related in Gelf

Gelf interviews Byron Hurt, the director of Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats & Rhymes. Plus, we talk to an unlikely rap star from David Chappelle's Block Party.

Related on the Web

Hastings Cameron writes about rap ghostwriting in the Village Voice. Also, check out Drew Ricketts' article on Hip-Hop News Live and Jason Fleurant's piece in Nobody Smiling, in which he describes ghostwriting as "Lyrical Steroids."

Adam Conner-Simons

Adam Conner-Simons is a freelance journalist in Boston.







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- Arts
- posted on Aug 21, 07
ZULAYKA

THIS ARTICLE CLEARED ALOT OF PERSONAL THOUGHT IN CONSIDERING BEING A GHOST WRITER. I WISH THERE WAS MORE INFORMATION ON HOW TO BECOME ONE WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL HAS COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT BEING ON THE SCENE PEROSNALLY IS NOW A THOUGHT OF THE PAST. THIS ARTICLE HIT HOME PERSONALLY

- Arts
- posted on Aug 21, 07
Adam

Zulayka,

My impression, from the interviews I did for this story, is that the way to get involved in ghostwriting is no different from getting involved in rapping itself: it's about putting yourself out there, establishing connections and proving your skill. Most of the ghostwriters I talked to got into ghostwriting while trying to create their own careers. Although sometimes they never make it, it's certainly a good stepping stone to be writing for famous MCs...

- Arts
- posted on Aug 31, 07
k. krash

I see all the points being made but at the end of the day "Hip-hop" music is a different animal than the other genre's of music. As sn M.C., if you aint writing your own lyrics then what is your talent? Why am i bying your record if you didnt write it? For your swag? For the clothes you wear or the jewels around your neck? Dr. Dre has an excuse, the talent he brings to the table is production. In R&B for example if Mariah Carey didnt write a song she still brings her vocal talent to the table. Ghost writing for other genres may work but for Hip-Hop......? Imagine reading a book from a famous author and then finding out that he/she didnt write it. Whats the point?

- Arts
- posted on Aug 31, 07
sk

WTF...$1,000 WTF is wrong with Sauce Money or was that a typo....$1,000 DAM.....

- Arts
- posted on Aug 31, 07
justice1

all these ghostwriters are wack except royce and the songs they wrote were wack.Wasted article

- Arts
- posted on Aug 31, 07
Aisha

Very interesting topic. I always knew some artist didn't write some of the songs that are produce, you can tell my their character and their original style.

My 2 cent's Aisha

- Arts
- posted on Aug 31, 07
DTRIP

The game is wack now...so many people have ghostwriters it's pathetic...

- Arts
- posted on Sep 01, 07
Assassin

THE GAME : G-UNIT EMPLOYEE OF THE YEAR
BY ASSASSIN


Streets is wondering
Why G-Unit don’t destroy The Game
Cuz The Game’s trina destroy G- Unit
Ganstaz know the name of the game
Is destroy your enemy
Before your enemy destroy you
Streets can stop wondering.
The Game ain’t source of no fear
He’s just the Unit Employee of the Year
He be working harder to make 50 Cent richer
We ain’t about to be emotional Niggaz
And shit on some free paper
Let a bitch-ass Nigga
B a bitch-ass Nigga
Let a Nigga be bi-polar and make no sense
At least he be makin’ a dollar for 50 Cent

Nigga be bitchin he don’t wanna be on G-Unit
Cuz he wanna be the boss
To B the boss you gotta learn to be the boss
By following instructions from a true boss
50 ‘s on Shady/Aftermath he still the boss
Nigga can’t stay on G-Unit, Damn
Nigga can’t stay with his own brother, Goddam
Nigga can’t stay with his own mother, Damn
Nigga can’t stay with the Doctor, Goddam
Nigga can’t stay on a Major, Damn


Nigga’s a grounchy dwarf when it comes to hustlin’
Still, his brother said he never fuck with Snow White
As he be bragging
Nigga’s always acting like a bitch on her period
Still, his brother said he ain’t no real Blood
As he be bragging
Nigga got help from 50 to craft a coupla ganstaz bangin’joints
Still, his brother said he ain’t never join no gangbangin’
As he be bragging
Y’all know that Nigga’s braggadocio
Is faker than a Canal Street Movado
G- Unit knows what time it is
So we lettin’ time work for G- Unit
In the mean time let enjoy The Game dough
With this potato head you never know
What the fuck it gon be tomorrow
He tattooed a butterfly on his cheek
Maybe his Homo fans said the cheeks of his butt are fly
As soon as The Streets shouts “Homo”
He run and covered the shit up with L.A.
This Nigga’s life is the biggest cover up in L.A
Since Biggie’s death cover up in L.A
To cover up his cover ups like a pro
He's jumpin’ from relationship to relationship like a ho

Nigga be bitchin' he don’t wanna be on G-Unit
Cuz he wanna be the boss
To B the boss you gotta learn to be the boss
By following instructions from a true boss
50‘s on Shady/Aftermath he still the boss
Nigga can’t stay on G-Unit, Damn
Nigga can’t stay with his own brother, Goddam
Nigga can’t stay with his own mother, Damn
Nigga can’t stay with the Doctor, Goddam
Nigga can’t stay on a Major, Damn

Damn, Soon Nigga couldn’t stay with himself
He gon’ get mad at himself
Beef with himself
And he gon’ end up being the only Nigga
He ever blast, himself
The fuck up part is this virgin won’t even be around
To be able to brag about how he emptied a round
To take a motherfucka’s life
For the first time in his life.
That why for G-Unit’s year-end resolution
We gon’ be compassionate Ganstaz
The way Bush is a compassionate Republiganstaz
We ain’t about to lose a Nigga
Who‘s been handing over 25% of his cheddar
To 50 for free
We gon do it the way they do it on Wall Street
And be nice to our Employee of the Year on Black Wall Street
We gon give The Gayme a bonus, no slug
Yo! Emotional wanskta, come get your bonus, a hug

BY ASSASSIN
GHOSTWRITER PAR EXCELLENCE
ayigansta@yahoo.com

- Arts
- posted on Sep 03, 07
Jack

Ghost writing Personal songs is garbage there suppose to be from the heart. As far as other songs having people co write with the artist is acceptable but don't lie about it rappers are suppose to be the truth. I rather see that one of my favorite rappers didn't write there hit but wrote the others as long as its honest. and it called will smith a legend he's a legend in movies not music. but respect since he was one of the first to keep it clean which is slowly becoming more popular even if it wasn't him writing hahaha

- Arts
- posted on Sep 03, 07
Adam

K. Krash, I like your point about hip-hop being a more personal art form. There's definitely something intrisically more offensive about rappers not writing their lyrics...but the rappers I talked to seemed resigned to recognize that hip-hop is ultimately a business, and so many big-name MCs would rather hire writers to shoulder much of the work. (The saddest thing, perhaps, is that many of these rappers aren't willing to concede songwriting credit and admit that they aren't writing it...)

- Arts
- posted on Sep 03, 07
REALITY BITES

WOW!!! GREAT ARTICLE...damn i feel like u touch my soul with that 1...i write wit a clique that does songs for mixtapes PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY...i pitched lyrics to CERTAIN members that help made they FREESTYLES&SONGS better...and we never verbally agreed on compensation i thought i was just helping my dawgs...Now these THEY poppin they 24 7 RAPPERS NOW...going state to state collabos with CREDIBLE DJS with the shit we cooked up in the studio years ago...i'm not hurting for dough but HOW DO U ASK FOR ENDS TO SOMETHING THAT GAVE U AND YOU CLIQUE NOTIRIETY AN OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN A RECORD DEAL INDIE OR MAJOR?>>>i can relate GREAT ARTICLE

- Arts
- posted on Sep 04, 07
K. Krash

Adam, the saddest thing isnt that many of these rappers aren't willing to concede songwriting credit and admit that they aren't writing it, the saddest thing is that a "writer" is paying someone else to write for them!!!! Whether you describe or admit that this is a bussiness or not isnt relevant. The fact that as a rapper you were signed to write songs and then relieve that duty to a ghost writer begs the biggest question..."why does an employer (record label) pay an employee (the rapper)to have someone else someone else do his job?" Again, this doesnt apply to Mariah Carey (she was hired to be a singer, not a writer), Dr. Dre (hired as a producer not a writer), or Will Smith (hired to entertain, not write). If your strength in this bussiness is what you write (85% of rappers) then you should be writing it, NOT a ghostwriter. I'm not gonna pay someone else to have sex w/ my wife, thats my job no matter how busy i get (lol)!

- Arts
- posted on Sep 04, 07
TJ The West Coast Champiom

I am a major artist ghostwriter... For me i loved just writing for other ppl because i wasn't too sure of my rap voice... but now Im trying to push my self as an artist as well... its ok if i dont get credit for writing a plat song or gold song... im all about my money and as long as its good and i aint hurting and my fam is doing good, im cool...
- myspace.com/thewestcoastchampion

- Arts
- posted on Sep 04, 07
Moss

Yo assassin you whack as fuck doggie.
Don't quit that day job b and change your name to Anal Assassin because your shits is gay nigga

- Arts
- posted on Sep 04, 07
h.santana

ghostwriting is almostlike double edged sword in rap music.look at puff for example,he's made it known he can't rap and calls himself an entertainer.so does it really surprise anyone that he has a ghostwriter.when gillie da kid said he ghostwrote for lil wayne that caught some by surprise.i dont know if he did or not but wayne's style has changed alot since he first came out.

- Arts
- posted on Sep 04, 07
none

2pac the realest and the greatest! Don't talk it if you don't live it or witness it. This ain't hollywood or is it?

- Arts
- posted on Sep 04, 07
SEED

Rap is a business, like the article stated. If I am a rapper, and my label says I have 2 turn my album in by nov 1, and I have 3 songs written, I'm suffering from "writer's block", and I know a good ghostwriter, u don't think I would hire him? Eazy E, who didn't write raps, performed "Boyz N The Hood" and it was a hit. When Naughty By Nature was hot, who did Eazy E hire? Treach. He wrote "Only If U Want It" In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with ghostwriting..........but Sauce Money got SCREWED!!

- Arts
- posted on Sep 05, 07
YA

I think ghostwriting is something that will never go away,

- Arts
- posted on Sep 05, 07
KARMA

This is sad. Money can really make or break us and it breaking US. Why are these people contionously giving slave deals. Puffy, Russel, Jigga...Stopping giving slave deals. Pay these guys what they are really worth. Some of these moguls have millions...they are greedy and that's why RUSSEL had a hard time defending hiphop becausu of his OWN KARMA. The writer need to get a portion of the RECORD sales for the songs they have written PERIOD.....What type of fuckery is THIS

- Arts
- posted on Sep 05, 07
Mr.Bugsy

I'm a writer but can't get a break, where can i found out which artist is looking for a writer?

- Arts
- posted on Sep 06, 07
Davion

Im happy that this shed some light.
get at me if anybody needs a writer.

myspace.com/therealyoungtruth

- Arts
- posted on Oct 20, 07
mooso

well i wass writting music since '97 dat people still jove how can i get my music to people who luves good r&b music

- Arts
- posted on Jan 05, 08
Danny Boi

How can I become a ghost writer like ya self. Young man with hustler ambitions whos ready to get it and make it out the hood. help out. 1 luv

- Arts
- posted on Feb 05, 08
blaze

what good... i was surfing the internet and saw your link... i know that you have more important things to worry about, but im a lyricist from nj. I've been told that I make hot songs. but rather then lookin for a deal, im more interested in becoming a ghost writer... so if you have any free time, can you let me know how i would go about getting started on a ghostwriting career? if not, then thanks anyway for taking the time to read this e-mail.

- Arts
- posted on Apr 15, 08
Joseph Moore

How do a person like myself who got much street cred in my nieghborhood as one of the best writers get in contact with sumone famous to see if i can offer my services? 7203857599

- Arts
- posted on May 06, 08
nicholas chibuzor thaddaeus

sir, i am a creative writer on manuscripts suitable for song.i have been searching for means to get them used by singers. presently, i have more than 250 to 300 manuscripts all weritten by me. please vouschafe to help me get established in this my dream career. thanks.

- Arts
- posted on Jul 18, 08
isaac Juma

If u can't rap wat's on your mind dan don't consider u yourself a rapper being written fo is cheating in every aspect. Your fans are your fan because they like your style and your lyrics. everyone just needs to be real all that respect the rappers are getting for their fans is fake. How could u even perform a track that is not your to millions of people and accept awards fo it. Shame go kill yourself true storie.

- Arts
- posted on Jul 18, 08
isaac Juma

If u can't rap wat's on your mind dan don't consider u yourself a rapper being written fo is cheating in every aspect. Your fans are your fan because they like your style and your lyrics. everyone just needs to be real all that respect the rappers are getting for their fans is fake. How could u even perform a track that is not your to millions of people and accept awards fo it. Shame go kill yourself true storie.

- Arts
- posted on Jul 29, 08
Advance

I have written for artists before, You all make it seem like the artist is not playing a role. If every artist was the way you wanted them to be hip-hop would be boring the way it is getting now rapping about the same content. What is real hip-hop/rap in my opinion it is not what you hear on the radio if you knew how many artists went back into the studio because their label told them that they would not market their material with that context. We took away real hip-hop when hip-hop became main-stream not ghostwriters. Some artist can freestyle but they can't make whole songs. Some rappers are marketable while others are not, in some cases the rapper that is not marketable can write and the rapper who can write but not as well as he can make words come to life and make people recite them will work well together. (i.e. let say you are in the studio and you have two 16's but no hook/chorus and your friends gives you a hook that fits perfectly, your friend has never written before but loves good music. He just became a co-writer on your song but he does not want the credit, so you pay their rent for a year. He is a ghost-writer he will never receive credits for the work and you paid him for his services) What I am getting at is this all ghostwriters are not like the ones mention above. I have respect for a lot of rappers who have ghostwriters and deliver great music because they work together. When I got started in ghostwriting, I was told that the president is a great speaker, but to create a great speaker you need a excellent writer that goes hand in hand with R&B, Rock, Country, Hip-Hop etc. I read a comment that made me post my comment
" Imagine reading a book from a famous author and then finding out that he/she didnt write it. Whats the point?"
By K Krash
I love when people ask or make comments because around 65% of the books that are published today are done by ghost-writers where do you think the name ghost-writer came from(not music writers) So in all your favorite writer may not be your favorite writer. Just because I write a book or a song does not mean I can act or sing, but if some one talented wants to direct and cast my book into a movie that is alright with me. A ghost-writer writes that is all he or she does and the directors,artist,and/or actor brings it to life.
Also I lot of people are confusing the meaning of ghostwriters, I am sad that the article is listening to artist that wanted a rap career so bad they would do anything to get exposure (that is life you have your good and bad). Why don't they talk to a real ghost-writers, that is because they could not find a real ghost-writers because we are just that ghost-writers when a job is done it is just that done and we move on to that next wonderful project. If you have any questions please email me. If you are looking to get into ghostwriter visit your local bookstore and library for reference books on ghostwriting to get a better concept.

- Arts
- posted on Aug 21, 08
Raw

u gota figure that da music biz is all about marketing, the president dont write most his shit so is he fake for performing da speech??? same thing in rap, da material is written from sumbody who has da talent but does not have da marketability or mite not hav charisma or cant actually rap themselves, so they giv it to da entertainer to perform. simple business. i neva thought of diddy as a rapper, always a great entertainer, neva thought of dre as a rapper, always a great producer. see where im getn at.

ima ghostwriter n i rap too, but i prefer ghostwritin cuz i can giv sumbody wit more talent a good verse or hook in seconds.

- Arts
- posted on Sep 04, 08
James S.

ill ghostwrite for anybody i jus dont know hwo to get put on with them

- Arts
- posted on Sep 19, 08
Gabriel Garmon

Was sellin zones at the age of twelve,young hustlin ass nigga trinda make mail,would I eva see 20 time could only tell,it didn't matter I was ballin nigga raisin hell,now I'm lookin back wishin I would of slowed down,but if I did I wouldn't know the things I know now,I yousta watch my cousins dawg thirties and vouges out,I had dubs in 96 dim 24's now. Yeah I guess I'd be willin to sell some of my shit for the right price,but I would neva sell my soul.Some REAL lyrisist put there heart and soul into what go's from pin to pad. Like a sypha between the lyrisist and his mind. Sometimes like a trance and you can't stop writing. Your not even counting the bars your just writing only to later go back and cut What you've written in half which might consist of 40 0r 50 bars when your done who knows.A real artist never knows and when you write like that thats when you get the gold and platinum records.Nas said hip-hop is dead and after reading this page I know where he's comin from.It's not the ghost writers fault;there just trinda make a buck.It's the niggas takin the credit for the songs and goin out of control wit it.For example the greatest rapper alive so he says "lil wayne". He also said he don't write shit cause he ain't got time and I believe that.I believe that he does got time to write a check though.You don't sell a million in a week off a album full of freestyles.Call it hatin or whateva but I'd rather hate than fake. God Bless,even the fugazy's.

- Arts
- posted on Sep 28, 08
Herve Diese

Wasup..i think the game does need ghostwriters because alot of rappers dont have the time to write or they feel they dont need to write and that could be the reason why hip hop is where it is in...if you have songs though where can you take them to get bought???

- Arts
- posted on Oct 04, 08
anonymous

ghostwriting isnt fake it's a lyrical art
the rapper's just model the words but the message comes from the heart
somebody out there knows that true hip-hop only exists
in the mind and the heart not in the diamonds on your wrist
you might have heard my rhymes before on the radio or the T.V.
I just want muthafuckas to see my art and message. U aint gotta see me.

- Arts
- posted on Jan 07, 09
Patrick Mong

I am a hip hop r&b ghost writer looking for work. I am worth the money. Please contact me if in need.

- Arts
- posted on Jan 19, 09
Donnie Vegas

i want to ghostwrite, but how to i sell songs?

- Arts
- posted on Feb 23, 09
kelvin suarez

i want to become a ghostwriter for artists. I have plenty of materials for sell and I need someone to help me, showing me how to sell my songs to artist. please help me.

- Arts
- posted on Mar 27, 09
luke

please let me know how to find work as a ghost writer

- Arts
- posted on May 19, 09
Droc

I get alot of comments on my lyrics Im just not in the postions in my life to give my self true broadcasting How do i contact artist or labels to see if they find the same interest others find in my music

- Arts
- posted on Jul 06, 09
TRU END DEED

YES I REALLY WANT TO BECOME A GHOST WRITER.I WILL DO WELL.HOW DO I GET MORE INFO.ON HOW TO BECOME ONE.CHECK ME OUT AT.leaders008@yahoo.com

- Arts
- posted on Jul 09, 09
mc kg

mc kg got nothing to hide a them that think he was a fake here is the real deal fuck you all im going to shine with the glow and rime everytime that will sort of make things fine but the altimate truth is im no snitch

- Arts
- posted on Jul 19, 09
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- Arts
- posted on Jul 19, 09
Hip Hops Lord

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- Arts
- posted on Aug 03, 09
smics1

is pusha t a ghost writer for pharrell

- Arts
- posted on Aug 28, 09
P. Day

Failure to disclose the source of the art in the industry allows artistic control, false attribution, and a lower quality art. Each part of the collaborative should be accurately represented. Rap will become a great art when you don't stop the best from running in the front.

- Arts
- posted on Oct 07, 09
yuba

ghost witer for lil wayne is his gay bf kenny atwal of yuba city

- Arts
- posted on Oct 08, 09
kj

my name is Kjhaye Ah-Ley...
im 17 ive been writin songs since 5th grade...ive written many songs for my cousin (she's a singer)... and with her the songs has 2 be heard by her close friends if they agree that the song is a hit she would keep them..
Now im trying 2 show the world what i can do.. and at the same time get paid..
im not asking 4 much...jus a spot in this world where i could b known by many ppl beside firends i grew up with and family..
kjhayestaccks@yahoo.com..
Give Me A Chance..!!!!

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- posted on Oct 19, 09
FLY

DEEP...

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- posted on Oct 19, 09
FLY

(((APPLAUSE)))
LOOK I'VE BEEN RYHMING SINCE.. 4 EVER! I'M SERIOUS, HIP HOP RUNS THROUGH MY VEINS LIKE BLOOD. I AM HIP HOP LM@O.. I'VE BEEN ON MY LOW KEY TIP BUT IT'S ABOUT THAT TIME. IT'S BEEN EXACTLY 5 DAYS SINCE I'VE DECIDED TO GHOST WRITE FOR THE ARTIST B4 I GET TOO DEEP IN THE WATER, I NEED TO GET A FEEL FOR THE BEHIND SCENE A LITTLE LONGER.

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- posted on Oct 19, 09
FLY

!!!!!! HELP!!!!!!!
IF U HAVE ANY HELPFUL 411 ON HOW I CAN START GHOST WRITING PLEASE DO SEND THE INFO!

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- posted on Oct 23, 09
DoLLa BiLL ENT

Kjhaye Ah-Leyy

im dhat real overnight billionare

im finna leave thesez record labels

bankrupt b4 i step in dha game

(kjhayestaccks@yahoo.com)

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- posted on Nov 17, 09
E.A. T3XAS

WUT UP PEOPLE I'M A LOCAL RAPPER OUT OF AUSTIN AND I JUST WANT THE WORLD TO LOOK OUT FOR MY NWE MIXX TAPE "CUT'EM LOOSE" OUT IN 2010. GOD BLESS E.T3X DA TRU

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- posted on Dec 06, 09
Martian Marvyn

NEED A UNIQUE GHOSTWRITER? HIT ME UP STERLINGMARVYN@HOTMAIL.COM. I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE RAPPERS OUT THERE THAT JUST DOES NOT WANT ALL THE FAME BUT HAVE A PASSION FOR MUSIC, THAT'S ME. KEEP THE FAME, I'LL TAKE THE FORTUNE

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- posted on Dec 21, 09
Adeyemi

Yes I agree. A song is supposed to be from the rappers heart but if the rapper can't fix a good back up lyrics, it's useless so if you need a ghostwriter musicalghostwriter.com is where you should be.

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- posted on Dec 25, 09
brooke

yo imma ghoster n im the shit at it so if any1 needs me reply to this comment iight holla

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- posted on May 14, 10
MIMICK

IM A GHOST WRITER ALSO I JUST WANNA SEE IS THERE ANY ONE LOOKING FOR TALENT CAUSE I HAVE IT JUST WAITING FOR SOME ONE TO FIND ME

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- posted on Jul 02, 10
mike

i hope tupac didnt have a ghost writer "loyal to the game"

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- posted on Jul 10, 10
tommylee hayes

hi there ,i write songs from rock to hip hop .have wrote the lyrics over the past 20 months ,written 145 songs and going on strong .can you please help me with getting work as this is a passion of mine . i have a vivid imagionation in music and in life .... . my strong point is hip hop i write lyrics you would think emenem himself wrote,honnestly :) ,so please please will you email me ,if you want my landline or mobile number then i will give you the numbers ,please don,t hesitate to ask me .if you want to see some lyrics of mine then please ask and i will be glad to show them ;) .now i see the meaning of a gostwriter ,i am so capable ,peeps you really need to take a look at my lyrics .......

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- posted on Jul 10, 10
tommylee hayes

i,m gunna be so ill, gunna be so so sick,my life for yours no thanks we aint gunna switch this ,you couldn,t even do the lyrics n i go the whole ten yards n pitch this ,n it comes with my past ,loadsa puddles of mud i,ve been dragged through ,put ma chin up n i pulled through ,got it goin on now i don,t look back i live life how i want to ,lambo's ,with matchin coats ,look at ma yot as she floats ,my garden is so big i got goats to munch the grass n we smoke the grass ,top class too ,u can have the purple hayes from , hayes , i can,t thnik of better ways to get this way ,everyday i prey for the things i have recieved n i rey in what i believe,, ,i,m on youtube ,a get so damne freaky with the girls its like somethin off rudetube ,i,m packin diamonds n pearls u can enter ma world just don,t enter ma girls . how i listen to music n i go into a state of trance ,i lose it ,but don,t confuse this with somethin else i,m the only one that can do this n do it so well ,far from an illiteral i,m all lyrical n when it comes i pack so much adrenalin ,hold me in a steel tubed cage i,m packin so much rage i just can,t be let lose on stage ,try to hold me with a rope n a noose ,you don,t know me ,you can,t unfold me ,true gee ,settin ma feelings free ,say what i want do how a please ,do what i do n a do it with ease ,i listen to lyrics all the time from different hip hop singers from lil wayne to ludicras i get ideas in ma mind n then you get this ,with one hell of a kick one hell of a twist ,from the 1st verse i,m pissed all tenced up with a clenched fist , , packin weight on a bench press hold it steady i can do this ,i carry weight on ma shoulders everyday ,i deal with it i,m gunna be the boldest lets just say this pays ..........

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- posted on Jul 10, 10
tommylee hayes

head in a gutter tah tah talk with a stutter ,onlybread no butter ,don,t close down your shutters ,i need somewere to stay ,hayye all i did all day was beg when other people work get paid go home have there tea, get laid ,then watch some t v ,n if there lucky get some head why i,m here starvin ,ma stomachs in nots i,m feelin queezy ,yuo have life breezey i get all the storms ,rain hail thunder snow n ice , i,m in pain no wonder ,i don,t get much money coz passers by aint nice ,well fuckers that's life i here ,let me step in your shoes n do the things you do for a day ,hayye you won,t because in my shoes your toes ull be hangin out ,you feel all the stones on the pavement underneathe um ,ahhr all my problems ll the hate i,m in a state n a need to let id out ,it,s dark now i,m alone ,pissin down rain ,how the hell am a supposed to stay sain ,you couln't blame me if i went insane ,these feelings i have i need to hold inside, these feelings can't be tamed n that's no lie ,,, cold nights again ,no shelter i don,t ask why coz no one answers ,why is ma life this way i need some answers ,wish i was a rich guy who could but whatever he fancies ,i,de be straight to a resteraunt orderin the menu ,call girls you ,n you then you ,n if there was someone i could lend to ,i wouldn,t coz it be my money ,i owned it quit your shit id aint funny ,shoes on the other foot so i,ll strut ,about with ma chin up who cares about the guy on the street i got everything i need n i don,t worry about food to eat ,he can bare the cold in the winter n he can splinter from the burnin sun in the summer ,yeah fuck the slummer he aint got shit coz he's dummer than the average guy n i aint gunna even ask why ,leave him there let him look up to the sky talkin to his self like a simpl guy ,life fuckit shit happens ,put yourself in the shoes of a slummer mother fucker ,then you won,t be so confused on the reasons why i drink so much booze from another bum on the streets as we both lose the battle of wills to live another day ,we all pull together n say , hayye,we were born to say how it goes so what if all the rich folk knows ,fuck um and there bitch howes coz as far as they know ,were just the people who have no place to go...................
these lyrics are protected peeps just look at my work please .... thanks ;) .

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- posted on Jul 10, 10
tommylee hayes

i write to spite the people who don,t think i,m too bright , despite the talent i hold close to my heart n soul ,these people r haters n trust me their in site ,i,m all for persuin ma dream goal , i don't plan on livin the way i do for much longer , every day i can feel i'm gettin stronger ,don,t let me miss my chance ,there,s nothin wronger . i feel liked am all couped up inside ,n when it comes ,a aint gunna miss this ride ,at the momment time i bide n if you think i won't make it ,then please step aside ,i will make it i won't sink ,i will swim out from the power of a huge tide , can't keep it together forever ,u can diss me whatever ,but i don,t believe in never never ,yeah ...i,m gunna march through the stormy wheather .so please give me the chance to let the world see how someone can be ,so much better when they set their hidden talent free ,,,,adrennalin pumpin ,i can feel it now ,i,m on stage stompin ,i can feel it now ,n now i,m gunna show you ,show you how ,it,s done ,as my lyrics leave ma mouth faster than a bullet leaves a gun ,you gunna see that i really am 2nd to none owe off the chart my confidence has gone ,n i promice you this i,m gunna be someone ,on t.v ,your gunna see someone ,n hear someone who's gunna shine ,but tick tock i,m waitin all the time ,these thoughts i have r puttin me forwards all the time ,you wanna know why ? this is puttin pen to paper n if you think you can beat me on stage then bring it ,i,m gunna lyricaly rape ya ,you can walk away with your head down n i will say see you later ,,,,now i see the crowd smilin as their pilin forwards towards me ,it's all happenin ,n am rappin n it,s all very flatterin as the tank of the glass that holds me is shatterin ,you know it can't hold me as ma words are batterin the glass i will pull through without gettin cut ,i managed to escape from bein held captive as i rapped it ,i couldn,t keep ma mouth shut! ,there's nothin better than ,doin what i wanna do ,i don,t just do it to please me i do it to please you too! i,m gunna rap this i push out my words to you ,,poetry in motion is what a do ,there's nothin better than me speakin out to you ,i've dreamed n daydreamed about this n now it's all true ,thanks everyone i hope you just like what you heard ,i put 110% into every single word :P
ok peeps 3 of my songs are on here and reading them myself i,m not gunna lie i think there awesum and the feeling i get is even more so ,pure adrenalin ,straight from my heart n mind ... please feel free to email me or comment ,thanks! ;)i wanna bring hip hop back n a wanna make something of my life so much!

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- posted on Sep 30, 10
juan aka da problem child aka colombia

skillz i agree with you 100% when you say that alot of rappers dont write there own shit and then ontop of that blow the fuck up with a song that they had nothing to do with the lyrics but cutting a bullshit check..on top of that not even giving credit when credit is dued to the ghost writer and i dont respect that.. long story short ma g im going to school for producing & engineering i start in november but i got a nasty camp they all write there own shit we did one track with french montana is on itunes right now is called these are my streets shit came out sick produced by million dollar baby and dj lazy k put it on her mixtape good looking out ma!!! mixtape is also called these are my streets.. me myself im interested in rhyming but i cant seem to put my shit together you feel me!! right now ive been going through alot of ups and downs ive lost alot of inportant people in my life that im not getting back and alot of beef in the streets cuz they hate a young nigga doing good for himself..all i do is grind work hard ma nigga but i feel like i got a story to tell and i wanna put it on wax for the people to hear ya digg.. so im interested in a ghostwriter.. if you can give me a hand believe me when i tell you i dont bight the hand that feeds me or helps me.. real niggaz do real things.. and i can say for only 22yrs of age im one of the realist niggaz youll speak to and meet.. so if you can help me out holla at me kid and send me an email.. i would put my cell but this the internet ya digg lol cant do that just holla i got some concepts i know you can work with...100

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- posted on Apr 04, 11
marcello

hello im a new upcoming artist. im looking for a ghost writer. im willing to split the profits 50/50 off any future hits. most artists dont do that. im talking royalties and all. pls contact me on marcelloreiph@hotmail.com

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- posted on Apr 04, 11
marcello

I'm looking for a ghost writer.
i want to share any royalties 50/50.
im a new hip hop artist trying to make it. you write the lyrics i perform em we split the profits.
hit me up on marcelloreiph@hotmail.com

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- posted on Apr 19, 11
Samz

First of all I don't understand the lyrics a few comments down about The Game and 50 Cents.... sounds like someone is just dick riding 50 Cent who by my standards suck. I stick to underground hip hop where lyrics are raw and everyone does it for the art and not the money. While there a few rappers I still respect in mainstream I long suspected because it is mainly business and the music sounds too comercial that this was happening. Not only does Ghostwriting happens but what about labels who tell those rappers who do write their own lyrics to write about stupid shit... like 50 Cent's lollipop song. When did hip hop turn into that???????????????????????????????????????????

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- posted on Apr 19, 11
DJ

Marcello check your e-mail man.

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- posted on Apr 28, 11
mirci

Anyone looking for a ghostwriter? hit me in my email and I'll send u a couple of reference tracks. Then we can talk business. Versatile and private. Guarenteed FIRE mircispen@gmail.com

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- posted on May 16, 11
nomercy

all i do is write 24-7. im a 27 year old female lookin to put my lyrics in the wind cuz if you rap then you mean what you say. if you write then its guaranteed what you say.tired of people trynna rap but all they do is rhyme, make some since in what you say... it takes me no time to put on a subject!!!

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- posted on May 25, 11
moneylow

i think that ghost writing is just as respectable as any other hustle. it's even hard 2 do as u gotta write somethin from your heart that can fit anybody's shoes.. on dat note im also a fire writer/spiter so hola iff u need help,or just don't hav time 2 write .

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- posted on Jun 01, 11
RaeQwon

I wanna become a rapper but i cant think of good rhymes IM 13 nd i live in New York can u email me if u think u can help me

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- posted on Jul 13, 11
clinique

please contact me

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- posted on Sep 01, 11
DJ

Hey I'm a writer and i was looking to boost a rapper. I already have pretty much an album's worth of songs written(11). I write the lyrics then we both get in the studio and make the beat but you need to know how to work the studio cause i ain't familiar. I guarantee we get big and I have a great way to do it without the mixtape. it's big sean/wiz khalifa swag. The deal is we split the profits down the middle with you rapping and me writing and you take me and some people on tour. This is pretty much guaranteed fame noo lie so please respond if you have studio access and knowledge.

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- posted on Sep 01, 11
DJ

hit me up at djmullen7@gmail.com

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- posted on Sep 15, 11
T.Rich

Ur best bet is to start writing now (THIS IS FOR THE 13YR OLD) bc right now if you tried to make it big time you'd be pressured to do "bubble gum rap" (unless thats what u want??..) and most likely wont be able to break away from that image when u try to mature ur lyric content the older u get. I suggest gettin as many instrumentals/ Sound Click beats as u can and just write. Write everyday. Write in ur phone or school books. And freestyle. In the shower, at lunch amongst ur friends, to other rappers in ur area for practice and advice. Dont ever get discouraged bc with time comes growth and experience and true talent. So with that said keep doin ya thing lil homie and maybe in 5yrs we'll see ya name in lights. PS: Most of all keep originality. U can admire and mimic ur fave MCs but in the end however u decide to flow make sure its ultimately u and ur individuality

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- posted on Sep 18, 11
Rocky

Hey, I'm neither a rapper or a ghostwriter or even a capable businessman (I need all three) but I want some of this "hip hop is dead" paper. I'm just a bitch ass punk and if you criticize this approach to becoming the greatest rap don of all time then you are just a hater...

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- posted on Sep 19, 11
OWEN

IF I WANTED TO GHOST WRITE FOR SOMEONE OR I JUST FELT LIKE I HAND GOOD SKILLS WITH RAPPING AND R AND B WRITING. ARE THAN ANY WEBSITES THAT I CAN HAVE MY VERSES UP FOR PURCHASE?

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- posted on Oct 17, 11
Lil Matty

if ya lookin 4 a rl ghostwriter hit me up at ma email on da side if yhu wanna c sum of ma ish

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- posted on Oct 21, 11
MC

It's degrading 4 a MC to hire a ghostwriter. It's a sacrilege. Deliver whats yours or let it be. I mean it aint hip hop anymore if it isnt authentic.

- Arts
- posted on Dec 20, 11
People call me Kuzee

I got a really superb vocabulary, and am willing to ghost write for anyone if the price is right.

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- posted on Jan 03, 12
phillie

im looking to make a career out of this so id like it if you would email me and work out something so i can send some music and or lyrics

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- posted on Jan 24, 12
cook

i got mad skills i kill it on any beat foreal all i do is write not no bullshit raps either i got no way of gettin on a beat so i just write and write

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- posted on Jan 24, 12
cook

my bad gotta leave ya with somethin...

flow fashion finger fuckin
if it aint that then it aint nothin
system steady thumpin black tints puffin somethin
listen gelf i aint bluffin stay fresh always stuntin
im the spur of the moment yea you can call me duncan
orderly fashioned mismatchin distraction
spittin on beats til my voice starts raspin
never trusted banks i get a stack then stash it
usually under my matress along with my weed and matches.. somethin light

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- posted on Jan 24, 12
Dylan "Lapone" Tyree

With over 600 songs written I am looking to become a ghost writer in the industry. Weekly I post songs on my facebook page just to get the feed back, I lot of people wonder why I haven't made it yet though at this point in my life most, most people want the fame yet I just want the money and to have my music heArd! How can I get this accomplished?

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- posted on Apr 12, 12
Where to get backlinks

Generally on thursdays don't have plenty to work on ,certainly not after noon , so I'm browsing internet. I'm interested in pages powered by movable , specially the design. Nice template!

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- posted on May 07, 12
Stony Rockstar

shyt crazy.....its a grimy game

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- posted on Jun 24, 12
Mike

HOw do you get involved in ghost writing?

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- posted on Jul 04, 12
william reid

yes how can i get my feet wet in da ghostwriting game as well as get my copyright for writing my rap song.

- Arts
- posted on Jul 04, 12
william reid

yes how can i get my feet wet in da ghostwriting game as well as get my copyright for writing my rap song.

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- posted on Jul 14, 12
Rome

Yes I got a comment if eny body want to buy. Some music I got I wrote base on hip hop please feel free to contact me at 347 361 8529 u looking for a hit iam looking to get my family out the hood hollar at me asap one

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- posted on Jul 22, 12

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- posted on Sep 30, 12
Andy

Same here Zukakya. Where to sign up. You know read a few sample and the artist goes with what he likes. Where's that? I don't get star struck everyone is just someone. I wanna do what my heart tells me, and writing lyrics is that, if anyone wants to use them to send out to the world please do so, that in itself is a dream.

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- posted on Oct 13, 12
Anthony

Hi just wanted to give you a brief heads up and let you know a few
of the pictures aren't loading correctly. I'm not sure why but
I think its a linking issue. I've tried it in two different browsers and both show the same outcome.
Anthony

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- posted on Mar 15, 13
Larvelle bell

Get me connected I can make half these musicians a star.....this was very interesting

- Arts
- posted on Oct 06, 13
raymond paul

What direction do I go to become a ghost writer. Talent is here

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- posted on Dec 13, 14
KP

This is indeed very enlightening, I'm a South African rapper with massive lyrics but I always liked the idea of becoming a ghost writer for established American rappers. This article has surely "switched the lights on". somebody hit me up!!!


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